I renovated my coop apartment -- was supposed to take 4 weeks, max of 6 weeks according to the contractor for mostly kitchen/bath and some main room things -- began in mid-January of '08 (yes, like 18 months ago) -- instead, of course took much longer (and some custom cabinetry was made 3" too high as the contractor misread his measurements so relayed them wrong to the cabinet guy -- and tried to blame me when they had to be re-done) and then the dribs and drabs of repairs of things they did trickled out for nearly a year after it began (a studio apartment) until last November.
That was horrid, but not the current issue at hand: when it looked like there was a day or two left of work (maybe three months in?!), the contractor asked for the nearl final payment -- said we'd settle up on the little items owed (by me presumably) after they were completely finished. I wrote the check, thinking it was nearly complete and that it would just about pay off the total owed. Afterwards, I went through the receipts for what I purchased -- for items that had purchase allowances in the contracts (the original contract and then one for additional items), but I had ordered some items instead of the contractors supplying as was written in the contract and of course bought more expensive than the allowance for the items (vanity, refrigerator, toilet, etc.) -- and found the contractor actually owed me money rather than my still owing them (not including, of course, the amount I exceeded the allowances).
When we went over the items and the contracts, the contractor nickel and dimed me down a bit, fine ... and we agreed he owed me $940, but then he said "Well, we did a lot of things for you that we didn't charge you for and you were a pain in the ass, so why don't we call it even." I said, "You did charge me for extra items and if I owed you this money, would you say we should call you even?" He gets loud and rude. Basically refuses to refund the overpayment even though acknowledging it was overpayment. Doesn't finish work. Hear he's gotten sick after he disappears, so start dealing with his partner, who's much nicer, but still months to get the final items finished and fixed (re-glazed tub had chipped while the workers were still in it doing plumbing work -- multiple chips; closet doors broke and fell off and then others broke and fell off, etc.). The nice partner says he'll pay me ... and says he'll pay me and then mid-winter '09 stops picking up phone or returning calls. Run into original partner today and am reminded again of it -- coming into my building to do a bathroom renovation -- is all nice until I ask about the pending refund -- he says "you and I disagreed about that, you have to call my partner who said he was going to pay you." I do, "nice partner" answers from a job site with power tools in the background (so they're both on jobs and have biz) and says "I know I owe you the money and I have a promise to pay you, but business has been bad and people owe us money. I'll pay you when I can." I suggest a weekly payment plan and say my business is bad too, but ... this after the call being "lost." And he leaves it open ended as to when he will.
So -- suggestions? Don't want to spend a lot of time on negative things and it's not a zillion dollars, partly principle and partly the money. Could: (A) email and suggest payment plan to either actually get it or to have more documentation. (B) small claims court so it's on their record, but hard to collect. (C) call my management company and tell them about it -- contractor does a lot of work for them and in my building (was recommended by my super and handyman -- told them about it before but doubt they've stopped recommending as they get referral fees). (D) do negative publicity about them. (E) other ideas?







This sounds like a nightmare and unfortunately not one you're going to win without bringing in outside legal help...you might want to chalk it up to an expensive life lesson for next time:
45% upfront, 45% upon completion, and 10% 30 days after completion...for all of the odds and ends you didn't notice during the chaos of moving back in.
Moving forward, that's the only way...at least in my experience.
Another nightmare, I hear about and many times have to come in after one of these projects. For everyone, it is important to check at least 3 references. I tell everyone to take the time out to visit projects the contractor has completed or is close to completed. The more information you have the better.
As far as your situation the 1st thing I would do is call the Dept of Consumer Affairs
It wil not cost you anything and they will help you resolve this matter. That is where contractors in NYC get their license and most would like to keep it.
As far as SKULIK post, I would never in a million years take on a project where I am getting 45% upfront and 45% upon completion.
1. That means once i am 45% complete I will finance my clients jobs
2. What do I do once finished and the client doesnt pay?
What I usually do (it depends on the project) is get 30% down, 30% at 30% complete, 30% at 80% complete and the 10% at the end of completed puchlist
How exactly does the Dept of Consumer Affairs help - do they actually get involved somehow?
Yes they do. The dept of consumer affairs is who gives a contractor his license. You might even be able to file a complaint online. Then I believe they get in contact with the contractor and he/she has to respond. I am not sure if they take away the license but I do know that any reputable contractor would not want complaints on his record.
I think the client should inform the contractor that she will be calling them and perhaps they will then pay before it even gets that far.
Thanks all ... think I'll call him after the holiday -- give him a week from the last call (not that they haven't gotten over a year, of course!), ask about the payment plan I proposed, if he doesn't immediately say he'll start one, will tell him I'm calling Consumer Affairs to key them in and the management company (as they renovate many of the sponsor apartments that are rented out over and again -- for many years now) ... will let you know if anything works!
Did anything work?
Hi -- sorry for the update delay, have been distracted with other things -- just spoke with the contractor and he says he's "expecting money soon, this week" so will supposedly be giving me some -- who knows how much or if for sure, of course, but am supposed to follow up next week and he was pleasant, so we'll see -- before I get involved in Consumer Affairs bureaucratic red tape and forms and stuff ... at least I tell myself as long as I do get it, it's not like the money would've been earning much interest for the past year! Will update when I have more!
Filed complaint with Consumer Affairs a month ago, had to mail supporting documents, etc. Caseworker said contractor had a month to respond (and said on the phone I should've had a man "front" for me in dealing with them from the start as still a very anti-woman/take advantage industry) -- they haven't responded to them or to me. She left vm tonight saying as it was verbal, they can't/won't enforce so suggested I file a Small Claims court complaint and if I win, if I have issue collecting then they can help with the collecting. Have to call her back on Monday to speak with her and see if that's the only alternative -- if so, could've done that from the start, but tried that years ago with an ex-employer and won, but was never able to collect, so lots of time (and filing fee) and repeat court visits for nothing (except having it on his/their record).
B, C, D and E.
And be sure you let them know you are doing all of the above. They will never give you your money back without some serious pressure and the building is the first place you should tell them you are starting. I'll be surprised it they don't pay when under the threat of blowing them up with the building. And when they do pay, blow them up with the building anyway.
Is shyster #1 named David by any chance, represents himself as an "architect"?
As for E, I'd tell them you will name names on every single blog you can find, like this one!
I find it interesting that the dept of consumer affairs will do nothing as licensed contractors we do have the responsibility to provide a written proposal and contract.
For that alone the Dept of consumer affairs should get involved.